Comments on: Student Suspended over Crude Video

By: Molly Reeves

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:42:36 +0000

Thank you Dr. Duncan for a well though-out and articulate posting. It was a welcome change from some of the, no doubt, well intentioned, empassioned postings of those whom I shudder to call “fellow students.”

By: Tyler Cantrell

Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:14:19 +0000

Peter, Jonathan, Thank you for your idea of making people post their real names, novel idea.

By: Judy Broeckel MD

Judy Broeckel MD — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:20:09 +0000

When an institution, such as a college, takes an action like suspending students, it stirs up a lot of feelings and thoughts. Perhaps, in a way, it is a good thing that thoughts and feelings are stirred, even though it is messy.
Christian education is a precious thing.
Christian community is, perhaps, even more precious. In reality we humans need each other more than we realize. Especially in American culture we emphasize the individual out of proportion to our emphasis of community. Sometimes we forget about the things that are most important.
“I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.” from Ephesians 4:1-3.
I remember vividly when I was a PUC student. I was premed and inordinately worried about getting accepted into medical school. As it looks to me now, I was way too worried about it. As it happened, somehow I did get accepted into medical school, and even graduated from there, with the degree I hoped for.
From my perspecitive now, I can say that a person (or persons) COULD possibly get into medical school, even after having been suspended as an undergraduate. If the person started living in a very positive manner, and worked hard, did well on the MCAT and demonstrated a lot of pluck and desire to serve the community as a medical practitioner, it could definitely happen. Sometimes the things that seem the worst turn out to be helpful. Getting suspended, could, help a person rethink his priorities and start walking in a better direction.
To the students who feel that they were left out of the process of decision making regarding the “punishment” of other students, maybe it is better that way. If you are not involved in that process you can put all your energy into loving and restoring and healing anyone who is willing to be loved, restored, and healed. Getting to be involved in discipline decisions is not as much fun as it might appear. There is still plenty to do. Keep on praying. Keep on thinking about what is important. Keep on loving each other. Keep on reasoning things out. And remember to keep the most important thing the most important thing.
p.s. Getting into medical school is NOT the most important thing.

By: RiseUp

RiseUp — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:48:20 +0000

Opportunity to speak, PUC!

WASC – All Student Invitational
Start Date/Time: October 27, 2009 5:00pm
Location: Dining Commons Side Room

By: Wesley Hunter

Wesley Hunter — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:30:02 +0000

My own experiences with the Judiciary Committee has left me with a deep understanding of the philosophy and thinking that is involved when they make a decision. The biggest thing that I have learned is that the punishment never fits the crime. To punish a student by suspending them does not accomplish anything. Each time I was suspended my thought process, actions, or character were not changed.

If the committee really wanted to make a difference in lives they should punish/help a student in a manner that is befitting of an Adventist school. The person who is in meeting with committee should be allowed to stay in school, unless it was an academic infraction. Otherwise they are punishing a student academically for nothing academic. Instead they should work with the student to instruct and mentor the student in a manner that will be change to the undesired behavior. Just like jail does not usually change a criminal, a suspension hardly stands a chance to truly change a student. It might make them more carefully or smarter about how to circumvent detection, but I have never heard of someone changing because of their suspension and I know plenty of people who have been suspended.

It is to the shame of PUC and the Adventist principles they try to represent by suspending students for non-academic infractions.

By: Rise Up PUC!

Rise Up PUC! — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:25:48 +0000

@whoo hoo

Next stirring topic?, really?, nice attempt at practicing avoidance. Even if this issue becomes closed online, and this article is blocked from having comments it doesn’t change the fact that you have a lot of realy pissed off people wanting simply to state what is on their minds. This is something however we are being denied of here at PUC. This issue is being handled at PUC in a near fascist way, and this needs to stop. Open student discussion on campus is necessary.

Concerning gag rules, those will only cause bodies of people to rise up to the injustice even harder, don’t believe it?,just wait, this issue is far from over.

If all of our secrets were revealed about things we did before we came to PUC, Ellen White would roll over in her grave, but it’s just unfortunate that Robb’s is online.

By: whoo hoo

whoo hoo — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:04:04 +0000

Wonder how many hits this article has had thus far? Glad the readership of C2 is apparent by the comments, but not thrilled about the comments posted.

Next stirring topic?

By: Kim

Kim — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:00:23 +0000

You want to hold off judgment until the whole story can be revealed? Yet, you pronounce judgment about What?!? being disrespectful about speaking his/her opinion? I think What?!? was trying to show that this forum so far has been one sided… Their diatribes have not been addressed in anyway, shape or form by the members of the Judiciary Committee, nor have they been asked to shut up by faculty/staff/administrators in this forum…

Please, if you want to hold off judgment, don’t be subjective by picking and choosing the one that’s more convenient, which is shameful.

The case of Robb is singular incident that is exploding and wraught with emotions. I think the Judiciary Committee has no choice but to address each situation they face on a case by case basis in terms of meting out consequences. I also don’t really see why Coach Paulson is being blamed… He reported conduct which occurred in the dorms (on campus) to the Deans. Quite a propos. Is it the Deans, who took the next step to take this matter to the Judiciary Committee?

I find it interesting that Curnutte was not bound by a gag rule, as applicable to the judiciary committee… Or, if he was, he voluntarily chose to break it. Whatever the case, perhaps the judiciary committee should consider gag rules in the future, or video recorded sessions to protect themselves from further allegations of slander, misconduct or otherwise.

By: What?!?

What?!? — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:55:50 +0000

Last comment, instead of creative team names, why not simply denote the teams by alpha or numeric characters, like Teams A, B, C or 1, 2, 3.

By: What?!?

What?!? — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:49:02 +0000

Truth, regardless of what face and name are put to it, are irrefutable and having them, is a moot point.

Widmer: you are indeed correct, opinion is opinion, no argument there.

Higa: what facts are you informed of? My arguments are ignorant? I have yet to hear Curnutte say, yes, it was my actions that caused my father and grandfather to be put out, not the actions of the Judiciary Committee. Ownership. Heard of it? Curnutte’s one sided view isn’t biased? You guys want due process and equal opportunity, yet, you are choosing a forum which only represents the rants and raves of one of the parties involved? That’s certainly equitable… Have you heard both sides? The team name was the trigger and catalyst. If that name was not chosen in the first place, no further action (presumably) would have been taken… So, because Curnutte was held accountable, are you wanting action to be sought for the two other team names last year? Or, are you saying, “Look, they got away with it, so Curnutte should as well?” Only a single plaintiff in this current issue, last year’s two are irrelevant. You’re going to tell a police officer that pulled you over for speeding that the 10 cars in front of you who were speeding as well got away with it, thus, you should as well? Give me a break…

Curnutte: I can see you’re the bigger man for choosing to perpetuate your alleged innocence by making the assumption I am a man. Secondly, seek a path of genuine remorse and take this incident as a learning lesson. If due process was not granted, utilize the system in place through the Student Senate and appeals to seek attention for the issue. Don’t make this personal. It’s not all about you. You chose to come to PUC. You chose to adhere and respect the policies and procedures and bylaws of PUC. You play, you pay. Curnutte, if you were so remorseful and wanted a bible study or prayer, why don’t you seek those same routes to seek justice instead of a mob-ish mentality approach. Also, think about your two peers who should be “freed” versus “free Robb.”

Last but not least, why do some of the student body feel like they are being silenced? Did a faculty member, staff or administration ask you to withdraw your comments, ask you to not comment? Please don’t confuse your perception as reality.

I have yet to see in this forum alone, evidence of any silence demanded upon the student body.

Yes, I have not published my name. I will immediately, once the system of posting comments is a process requires a verification process, so all will see who the true face behind the name.

Spend the same amount of time and diligence expended on this forum as in your studies, you’ll be amazed as the results…

The truth never needs defending. It is only the guilty or untruth who shall forever proclaim their innocence.

Address your pious comments or whatever, but this is the last time I will comment on this issue. Not for the sake of the lack of an argument, but to not further embroil an issue which has gotten way out of hand and has evidently lost its perspective.